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Annie_Wong 02-23-19 07:54 AM

Merry Meet!
 
Hello dear witches, pagans, Wiccans and all members of this forum with their own specific orientation,

I am located in Southern Germany where weather currently is pretty erratic. With Matronalia on its way I guess some of you are going to celebrate it. I haven't ever celebrated any esbats or sabbats yet, but am looking forward to do so in the future for I am going to look for a deeper level of knowledge.
I delved into diverse literature by now, mainly about white magic and Wicca, but am interested in any kind of spirituality. I may be a gnostic, I am not really certain, but definitely a rookie in the world of witchcraft. I am happy that I have the chance to meet you members of this forum and hungry for all the information and experiences you have. It's always great to get to know like-minded people and I am eager what my entry brings.

Thank you all for reading and Merry Part!
Annie

SunSister 02-23-19 10:23 AM

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Welcome to ESF! :) There is certainly plenty of information around and we're always open to new discussions, so don't hesitate to dive in and engage! Hope you'll enjoy your stay.

feranaja 02-23-19 12:08 PM

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Hi Annie Wong! What an exciting stage you are at! There's so much to learn ahead (and always will be) we're here to help and chat, so like SunSister wrote above - dive in and ask away.

I'm a Traditional (non-Wiccan) Witch, a student of Druidry, a career herbalist and general Woman of Magic. I struggle with labels, to be honest. But I love this life, and work, and am always grateful to be on the path I am.


Tell us more about what you're reading, what drew you to the Craft, maybe?

MonSno_LeeDra 02-23-19 12:41 PM

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Hello Annie_Wong. Welcome to the forum.

If I could impart one bit of wisdom it would be magic doesn't come in any color there is only magic. If one is going to assign colors to anything then it is intent that you might assign colors to and that is even suspect for actions are driven by causation and purpose. So one action might be deemed as black yet change the causation and it becomes gray or white.

Bartmanhomer 02-23-19 04:18 PM

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Hello and welcome to Earthsong Forums. :)

Annie_Wong 02-23-19 08:26 PM

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Thank you all so much for the warm welcome!

@SunSister: I am happy to hear you are open for discussion and encourage participation without being ashamed or such. :)

@feranja: Thank you for your kind and motivational words. Your path sounds pretty interesting and above all unique. It will be great to keep in touch and exchange views and experiences. Thank you for the info you shared about yourself!

@MonSno_LeeDra:
Thanks for the input! Actually I've heard about this as well, but (as a matter of form) I referenced the actual title of one of the books as it was. I think it is from a German witch (not so sure about the label) named Ansha titled "Weiße Magie: Das große Praxisbuch". It is like an introduction to how to awaken your own magical powers and use them in your everyday life. I enjoyed studying it, there was much information about magical tools, symbols, trance, meditation and plenty of other content. A male friend of mine who is practicing the craft since over a decade already recommended it to me. I liked the book, though it was very clear the author is exclusively practicing what she is calling White Magic. She also gave words of warning, but in fact she really divided magic in good and bad. Personally I also think there are two sides of one coin and thinking in black and white is difficult. So the reading was good, but I wouldn't just adopt an opinion. Thanks for the remark, because there's much to learn! I am looking forward to further advice!

@Bartmanhomer:
Thank you so much! :)

satanubis 02-23-19 10:15 PM

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Welcome to the forum! Hope you enjoy it here!

Annie_Wong 02-24-19 05:16 AM

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Thank you satanubis!

feranja, sorry, I overread your question. I think I myself became aware of the craft by believing that everyone has to hold some personal power having some self-efficacy. I believe in nature as the center of elemental energy. I feel that in monotheistic faith you are always completely in a dependant position and in my view among many other things the craft grants self-confidence and a sense of responsibility for your actions. Maybe the drive to make the world a better place by holding good intentions whereas "good" is also in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps world improvement as it is often indicated is a bit too idealistic. I assume one has to be a realist, especially at the beginning doing things in a small way. For Wicca I read Witchraft & Wicca for Dummies for I really enjoy the "for Dummies" series. It was pretty informative but the author explicitly recommends further literature, which is always a good sign instead of claiming something is the sole legitimate source of knowledge.

btw: If any of you has some literary recommendations I am super thankful to know about them. I am entirely open-minded and curious and don't desire to take a certain path in the craft.

Sollie 02-24-19 08:41 PM

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Welcome to ESF!

DrumWolf 02-25-19 04:33 AM

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Hello and welcome!

feranaja 02-25-19 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Annie_Wong (Post 329842)

feranja, sorry, I overread your question. I think I myself became aware of the craft by believing that everyone has to hold some personal power having some self-efficacy. I believe in nature as the center of elemental energy. I feel that in monotheistic faith you are always completely in a dependant position and in my view among many other things the craft grants self-confidence and a sense of responsibility for your actions. Maybe the drive to make the world a better place by holding good intentions whereas "good" is also in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps world improvement as it is often indicated is a bit too idealistic. I assume one has to be a realist, especially at the beginning doing things in a small way. For Wicca I read Witchraft & Wicca for Dummies for I really enjoy the "for Dummies" series. It was pretty informative but the author explicitly recommends further literature, which is always a good sign instead of claiming something is the sole legitimate source of knowledge.




Great ideas here Annie, although of course there is no right or wrong, I was just furthering discussion. What brings us to a path is always interesting. And I agree about doing small things initially, walk before you run, but I also believe that even after many years of practise, small things can make powerful differences. For example, I have been overworking this past two years, and less time for the things that feed my soul, but I take a half hour in the morning to get centered, do some reading and make offerings to my shrines. It's only a half hour or so, but if I miss it, I feel more stressed in the day ahead. I also try to do my grounding and meditation mid day, which is when I need it the most. If I miss THAT, boy do I feel it! So "small things" but they have an important impact on my day.

I haven't seen the Dummies book, but there are several recommended reading lists in the other forums. My own earliest books (there weren't many back then)are all now considered "the classics" - The Spiral Dance by Starhawk, The Witches' Way by Janet and Stewart Farrar, several by Marian Green including A Witch Alone and Natural Magic, Drawing Down the Moon by Margot Adler...but I was also pretty immersed in other forms of esoterica, so reading all of Dion Fortune's works, for example. I started my tarot study early and Rachel Pollock has always been by main guide, bookwise. But again, loads of recommendations in individual forums.:)

FWIW I would recommend starting with the classics - read British Traditional Witchcraft, read Starhawk, read Marian Green....find your way. It takes time and may change as you go through life - for me, as long as your spirituality "harms none" and is an authentic expression of your heart AND mind, you cant go wrong.

Annie_Wong 02-25-19 12:12 PM

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Thank you Sollie and DrumWolf!

@all: Something that really interests me is how did you find out about your personal orientation in the craft? Have you tried what works best for you or found out about it through literature etc and it instantly appealed to you? Because every single path seems so diverse and there are countless variations and possibilities. Or maybe you don't like to categorize yourself? Do most of you practice as solitaries? Maybe some non-Wiccans (certainly Wiccans as well!!) like to tell a bit about their experiences. Up to now my knowledge is mostly based on Wicca, that's why I'm asking.

@feranja: Thanks for sharing some details about your daily routine :) Sounds like a great way to welcome the day. I'd like to integrate some rituals in my everyday life as well and it would be great to have an altar/shrine. I live in a one-room apartment in a town so for me it is a rather tricky task to find a place to turn spiritual without any distraction (like beside my tv, my bed, my kitchen.) What do you think of portable altars? Generally I have access to nature for I am not living in a big city, but being outside is only pleasant in springtime, summer or maybe early fall. I definitely still need to find a special place where one can calm down.

MonSno_LeeDra 02-25-19 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Annie_Wong (Post 329853)
.. @all: Something that really interests me is how did you find out about your personal orientation in the craft? Have you tried what works best for you or found out about it through literature etc and it instantly appealed to you? Because every single path seems so diverse and there are countless variations and possibilities. Or maybe you don't like to categorize yourself? Do most of you practice as solitaries? Maybe some non-Wiccans (certainly Wiccans as well!!) like to tell a bit about their experiences. Up to now my knowledge is mostly based on Wicca, that's why I'm asking. ..

Let me preface this with the disclaimer that for many of us we've answered these question here before so you'll probably get the short version answers.

For me basically I was born to it in a familial tradition. More folkish in many ways and probably not what you'd recognize today as a fully functioning "practice". My particular influence more Shamanic like in focus. Beside that I was also sort of adopted into what would basically be a Stregian type of folk practice by an elderly neighbor. I do have some formal training over the years tossed in and a bit of small group practices in there but definitely not Wiccan.

My own particular pathway is a combination of Shamanic and what I suppose would be called Hedge / Green Witchcraft with a strong Hellenic Recon influence. As such I am basically a solitary due to the Shamanic side of things and by choice.

Education wise within my pathwalk a lot of what I know has been due to what my divinities drive me to learn. For instance for many on the shamanic pathway dying is a pretty common aspect, I physically died in my youth. Then have come near to death more than a few times since. Either through illness or situations that could have lead to my death. To give a few examples: my parents went out at the last minute my grandparents refused to let my parents take me. My parents involved in a car wreck, my carseat was crushed under the front passenger seat. When I was about 17 I was walking along a railroad track suddenly turned and there was a train I grabbed a friend and tossed him off the track and used his weight to pull me behind him. As I flew through the air I felt the train's suction pull me back towards the engine as I landed just beyond it's pull.

Book wise it's more than just book's about paganism. It's the entire alphabet from A to Z. History, Biology, Psychology, Geology, Theology, etc. Pagan authors fill volumes with pseudo history and cut and paste details about things that really mean nothing. Many Wicca author's are even worse, volumes of outer court material that are passed as full truth about Wicca yet nothing that truly touches about Inner Court teachings. Things that have to be experienced to be learnt.

One thing I've learnt is Occultism is always changing. Now whether that is good or bad, that is a harder question to answer. Older practitioners I've known over the years have faded into the shadows in some instances as they say it is safer there again. I am certain that the way's I was taught and the methods I was instructed under and challenged under are far different than used today.

Annie_Wong 02-25-19 07:33 PM

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@MonSno_LeeDra:
Yes, I was in search for a similar topic in the forum so hopefully I would not bother people with asking the same question already appearing in another thread, but maybe i missed it. If you happen to already know a thread for a question i have and you don't feel like repeating you can let me know. :) There may be some questions ahead already extensively discussed.

Anyway, thank you so much for being that open about your experiences in life and looking back at them. The near death incidents are especially eery and impressive. Fate wouldn't let you just go back then. Good to have you here. I myself had some two to four close calls as well and in restrospect it's always unbelievable how things came out.

You being born into the craft is pretty awesome. If it is already like running in the family it really has a traditional touch and it may be easier for one to identify with it as for someone coming from (for example) an orthodox catholic family.
For my part I didn't grow up particularly religious, being part of the protestant church, but not really living it so for me starting a real and long-lasting self-discovery is not too difficult. My mother tells me about how her father used to use a pendulum when presented with life-changing choices so there may be some small pagan elements here.

What would you say are the biggest differences between your path and Wicca? I often hear witches (in this case it was a hoodoist) complaining that Wicca is only picking out the so-called white magic without taking the wholeness of the craft into account and that everything is intertwined.

I can imagine older practioners not wanting to step in the spotlight alongside today's witches or whatever label they consider themselves to be or prefer. Media does its fair share to change things and for practitioners of old style beyond recognition I guess.

MonSno_LeeDra 02-25-19 08:38 PM

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Oh I don't mind answering. For most of my postings you'll find them in the Shamanism area for the most part. I'll answer in other area's but I'm most active in that one particular area.

Main thing I was getting at is for those of us who've been active on the forum for a bit we've answered the same general question's many times. So it's difficult to embrace them again or add something new. At times you have sort of a "I've answered it already" so don't think you have anything new to add. Even giving a pointer to a thread is difficult because their spread out and even we have to go searching for those answers . Figure lots of times the answer is either in our own old intro posts or into other intro postings. That or it might be in a thread where we simply went off in some side line of though and discussion.

You have to understand this idea of the "Craft" is very different from what reality is. Many folk practices or familial practices have little resemblances to anything that looks like Wicca or what people think of as Witchcraft. Well what people think of as book based witchcraft or Hollywood witchcraft.

It's like folk practices might be using a wedding band on a string and holding it over the woman's belly and seeing which way it swings to determine the gender of the baby. Which marks to sew into a shirt to protect the wearer, or which ones to sew into a bedsheet to bring on that baby. Why a woman plants roses near her house as a protector. Why a son is told never to eat at a girls house unless he has something from his mother or grandmother. The difference between a daughters first blood and a son's first blooding.

In truth between my path and Wicca, there are few Wiccan's traditionally today. Wicca is a initiation driven, lineage'd system, most of what passes for Wicca today is none of that. You can't technically be self initiated, self dedicated as a Wiccan, there is no legitimate lineage. A book is not a lineage. Unfortunately that's not a popular position or opinion.

A lot of what passes for Wicca today should probably be called Neo-Wicca because it is more New Age in influence than what you might call Traditional Wicca. That's all the Self-Initiations, Self-Dedications, self bestowing of High Priestess / Priest titles and levels. Practical & Theoretical knowledge is derived from books with little actual mystical & coven based experience. When I hear them speak about divinities far to often the divinities seem to have been selected via roll-a-dex selection. Then they were chosen based upon ideal qualities and expectation often at the expense of the full vastness of the divinities character. Very often setting the divinity figure in a familial situation to the practitioner, often that of a mother or sister type figure.

In my practice the divinity is not a parent or friend figure they are gods & goddesses. They are creation and destruction. They will inspire but they will also punish, they can heal but they will also destroy. They can and do bring life but they can and do bring death just as easily. Just because you make offerings & Libations to them doesn't mean you will be rewarded. They are not all bright light and happy happy joyful joyful, just as nature itself is not all happy happy joyful joyful but can be lethal and frightening.

It's like I mentioned above magic is magic it has no color. It is intent that has color yet that color changes based upon how it is employed. A white action can be seen as black just as easily, it all depends upon the perspective of the one doing the observing.

For instance if I give you money because I see you are hungry that is a good act and would be seen as a white purpose. Yet if I give you money not because you are hungry but because I think it makes me look good then it is no longer white for my intent has changed regardless of the outcome. If I give you the same money but did it to show to others you are lesser and did it to disgrace you in front of them it is still black though you still got the money and still got the food. Money was still given, you still got the food but three different intents. Simply change the money to a spell and the action remains the same as does the intent and action. Yet you still receive your meal and were feed. Magic is magic but intent changed.

Annie_Wong 02-26-19 12:11 PM

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This is how I imagined the original craft to be. Your examples of including folk practices like the wedding band etc in your life or even better living in the manner of it surely contrasts with the image of spectacular seances and stuff. I like your ways.

Considering the divinity how one needs it to be doesn't seem too right to me. Like you I think just like nature itself the divine has to be light and shadow at the same time (you gave many good examples for it) and only whitewashing things and ignoring what one may be uncomfortable with can only be half the story. Your conception and definition of the divinity seems logical to me.

Your example with giving me money is such an enlightening one. Thank you for setting it. This greatly contributes to my understanding of the craft.

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What I am wondering is when do practitioners of the craft begin to perform their first rituals. Like is there a time when you can say "now I've learned a lot and studied for __months/years/you name it and am finally ready to practice". It's somewhat unclear to me because there are different opinions on that. Some say you should keep your hands off practicing and first read all literature while others are in accordance with learning by doing.

SunSister 02-26-19 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Annie_Wong (Post 329853)
@all: Something that really interests me is how did you find out about your personal orientation in the craft? Have you tried what works best for you or found out about it through literature etc and it instantly appealed to you? Because every single path seems so diverse and there are countless variations and possibilities. Or maybe you don't like to categorize yourself? Do most of you practice as solitaries? Maybe some non-Wiccans (certainly Wiccans as well!!) like to tell a bit about their experiences. Up to now my knowledge is mostly based on Wicca, that's why I'm asking.


I was raised Roman Catholic but have always held an interest in other religions/cultures and mythologies. When I was 11, I began to become more sensitive to things like energies and had some experiences that can be classified as psychic. I looked up a whole lot of information about what I was feeling/sensing and ran across some information on Wicca in that process as well. I initially began to explore that part of spirituality out of curiosity and because some things in it spoke to me, but I didn't really feel a 'click' with what I perceived to be the more dogmatic aspects of it or the parts I couldn't incorporate into my life.


But, you know, one thing leads to another in this pathwalk and through Wicca I also encountered other paths like Druidry and reconstructionism and all that jazz. I think I spent maybe three or four years actively researching different paths and exploring different ideas before I even did a ritual of any kind? To me, information is important: what is it, how is it constructed, what can I do with it, what are the pitfalls, you name it.. I want to have clarity about it before engaging with it on any level. It's in my nature to be cautious (too much so at times!) and I like to know a little about everything because that's just how I roll. ;) What I do find important is not walking away from things when they get hard, though. Some people use eclecticism as a bit of an excuse to just handpick what they like and forget about the rest, but for me spirituality only works when it's in balance between things that come easy and things you need to work harder for.



There've been some groundshaking spiritual experiences for me within this pathwalk that are really hard to put into words but went a long way to cementing the feeling that this is ultimately where I'm supposed to be. I currently would classify myself as an eclectic pagan because I don't follow a specific path like Wicca and have adopted practices and ideas from different paths over the years. I'm solitary by nature, though always open to discussions and chats with other pagan folks like we have here on ESF. I received some measure of training in energywork and crystal healing, but the majority of what I do is something I just learned over the course of time and experimented with a lot. I'm currently looking to make some kind of next step by actually devoting time/energy to a study of magic that resonates with me and exploring a calling I've been feeling a lot over the past few years, but I'm kind of stalling myself on it at the same time because it feels very big and I wanted calm and easy for a while instead. :)



One thing I enjoy most about paganism, though, is that sense of liberty that we're all on different paths of our own choosing. Our paths might intersect and we might learn things from each other, but ultimately we're working with our own symbols and experiences and strengths/weaknesses. It's been eye-opening to be in communities like ESF where so many people come together from all walks of life, and hearing all sorts of stories about how people connect to their own paths is a wonderful thing.

MonSno_LeeDra 02-26-19 03:02 PM

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First rituals? People often fail to see just how frequently they have been doing their first rituals and never realize they've done them.

You brush your teeth, clean your body, brush your hair and put on clean cloths, that is your first purification ritual. About the only difference is once you add a divinity is they might add the addition of some essential oils or incense to the process and maybe a ritual prayer or chant as part of the process. Perhaps some sort of emblem on the cloths or perhaps a piece of jewelry to be worn. Yet it is still just cleaning yourself and purifying your body in preparation to be in the presence of your divinity in their sacred space.

Drawing down and becoming one with their divinity. That's another that people have been doing since they were children in most instances. The only difference's when they were doing it, it was a form of shapeshifting. That instance of imagining they were becoming some animal and imagining what it must be like to be that animal. To move like it. To sound like it. To imagine what it must be like to think like it, eat like it, drink like it, smell like it, see like it, hear like it. To become one with it or actually become it. That is basically drawing down your divinity and becoming one with them, the only difference is your becoming one with a higher force vice a lower force. So you open your mind and body to a higher and deeper sensation. Yet the child has already been there.

Many of the rituals you'll do you've done before. The thing with most of them is they are used to undo the mental and psychological connections that were made with the prior rituals. The dedications, initiations, bindings, etc are more listed with time frames usually to get you into the proper mental states and help you erase the burdens that come with the psychological stress that comes with them.

Figure the majority of new practitioners will come from a Christian background and influences. Many with the core influence of "Put no other Gods before me!" moving into a theological framework where not only are you putting other gods before GOD but your breaking that commitment that was made to him. Even if you say you never really felt right in Christianity or the Church it's still a major influence upon the person and usually their familial surroundings. One they have to come to terms with.

For many if not most that is a difficult transition to make. Usually you can see it in new practitioners, there is quite a bit of hostility towards Christianity as a whole in them. So the old requirement of a Year and a day though not stated was both to give the coven time to judge you and time for you to some what come to terms with that. Really did the coven nor you a great deal of favor to start off with anger towards the old and false expectations towards the new. After a year your reality and expectations should should be more realistic of what to expect.

On the bright side though that was a better likelyhood for success than getting into many familial groups. For most of those you had to be born into them, or married into them. Then even being married into them didn't ensure you were completely accepted into all facets of their secrets. More than a few of those were broken down into male and female mysteries and the lines were not crossed. There were things my sisters got that the sons were not even considered for, and vice a versa. Especially when it came to blood mysteries we simply didn't need to know the herbs and such for that.

I have a friend whose deceased grandmother like's to remind me I am a male so don't fully comprehend the visuals she's showing me dealing with blood mysteries. Sometimes she wishes I was a girl so I could get the message to her daughter correctly the first time. But she admit's I do far better than most males she's known. Guess I have a lot of blood memory from my mother and grandmother. Funny though when she gets frustrated trying to use me as a Hollow Bone to pass things along though.

So when to do specific rituals and such really depends. Some require lots of time and research before you do them. That's due to the detail and technical information needed. Other's you've been doing them for years, but really haven't been told but they are part of your life. You'll find some will simply happen. One day you'll just get the urge to do them in a format that comes to you. Then you may drop that format because it was for that one usage only, for that one situation only. Other times the divinity in question may give you inspiration for a ritual / ceremony over days or weeks prior to it occurring and will develop it in you mind / dreams.

I've had elaborate rituals / ceremonies that just started to build in my mind. Over the course of a few weeks they developed and filled out as to what it would entail. Like chapters in a book I got more and more info and instructions on what, when, where and how everything was to be done. Since then I've used that particular ritual / ceremony a few times.

One thing I'd add is that many books and practitioners are going to tell you how and what to do. Take each with a grain of salt. In part because each is right but each is also wrong, for each is telling you how they do it.

It's like with the goddess Artemis people will tell you to make offerings of a certain type of cake to her. To do these offerings on full moon's and do it all the time. Only problem is those particular cakes were done for Artemis in archaic times. They were done in thanks for saving a particular city. Yep once every 6 years. So this city did them in grand order every 6 years for thanks when they really meant something versus modern pagans who do it all the time when it means what? The word here then becomes context.

Annie_Wong 02-26-19 05:57 PM

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@SunSister:
So you were raised a Christian as well. Did your parents place great value on living the faith? The way you came to the craft is special as well. It’s always a good thing to think outside the box and some will do so and return to their ways keeping their newfound knowledge in mind, others will eventually feel that drawn-in they actively stick to it with belief and heart.

Wicca as initial contact is not uncommon I see and may be due to the spirit of the time. After reading the Wicca for Dummies book I originally planned on undertaking the mandatory one year and one day dedication and celebrating sabbats and esbats in the course of the year. As a solitary that is. It has been a vague idea but I strongly believe it is a good thing I came to ESF beforehand.

Being cautious sometimes will slow you down, but basically it can preserve you from harm. From my point of view the worst you can do is jump into something without understanding it at least a bit. I feel with the craft this does happen frequently. People are quick to ask for spells, many without enquiring about the potential consequences. I am very careful with that.

I am glad you were able to witness all those intense spiritual occurences :) this had to mark a significant point in your life. I can also imagine adopting elements from different branches of the craft while forming an own path and the training you mentioned (energywork and crystal healing) can only be further enrichment to your journey. Increasing knowledge is always desirable for me. Whether it were herbalism, alchemy, gardening, arts or much more. And experimenting is always part of research, right?

Being able to discuss peacefully, openly and sympathetically while differing is precious and rare because normally in whatever faith this is hardly ever possible. In paganism everybody seems accepted, there are points of contact and commonality exists. If you can discuss about individual beliefs with a similar essence this is indeed wonderful :)

Annie_Wong 02-26-19 06:43 PM

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@MonSno_LeeDra:
Unquestionably you are completely right, we do rituals all our lives. Often this has to be brought to mind again. Probably all too often one thinks that rituals have to be big, remarkable, showy and fabulous to be rituals.

Certainly an earnest conversion is never a decision made easy. Among other religions I have been studying Christianity to this day having read parts of the holy bible as well as a lot of other material. Usually I am not going to church for services, but am baptized since early childhood. What weighs heavily for the majority is really the important command you cited (Put no other Gods before me). Eventually it stands or falls on that. Some things in Christianity I can stand for, others are out of the question. As a whole I cannot call myself a devout Christian.

So with reference to the above-named aspects the year and the day in Wicca does make sense.

Your family history sounds so wonderfully nonconformist. I wonder how it feels growing up like that. The way you came to your rituals and ceremonies is intriguing. Dreams are known for their special significance. I myself am a busy dreamer remembering most of the content after waking up.

Thank you for the exemplary comparison with Artemis.

MonSno_LeeDra 02-26-19 08:52 PM

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One thing I'd ask you to think about when your looking at the Wiccan wheel of the year is to consider this. The Wiccan wheel is designed to function against 4 season's which is why it has 4 sabbats initially. The 4 lesser sabbats where later additions to the wheel.

As such the wheel truly does not function properly in the Med region as that area is built around 3 seasons, nor does it function in the tropics and equator region. Basically they have 1 maybe 2 seasons which could be seen as rainy and dry seasons. Figure for instance ancient Egypt was built around the cycle of the River Nile and it's flood period. Basically rain & flood, drought, fertility & crops. Not entirely different for most of the Med region when you consider rainy season, dry season and growing season were the three seasons.

So you have to force fit the Wiccan wheel upon the gods & Goddesses of the Hellene, Kemetic and Roman pantheon's for the most part. Their cultural holiday's and festivals tend not to be good fits. Some are near fits but those are more universal festivals such as All Hallows Eve / All Saints Day / Day of the Dead that Wicca utilized. But the way the wheel works in my opinion also tends to make it easier for many people to transition away from Christianity because it employs a lot of Christian influences & structures.

Not sure my family would be seen as nonconformist or not. A lot of it would be seen as normal for many mountain or rural Southern families. I know I was always encouraged in everything and basically nothing I showed an interest in was discouraged. Didn't matter whether it was the paranormal or occult, I was free to read about it and pursue my interest in it. But then I was a loner to so the forest and wild places were my friends. The friends I did have tended to be as lets give it a try as much as I was.

Not sure I would encourage that today though to be honest. A seance when your 12 might not be a good idea. When that steamer trunk sailed across the room and crashed into the wall and shattered we went running. Yet that didn't scare us nor get us into as much trouble as bringing in a black snake and garter snake in during the middle of the winter. We put them in a tank and went to the movies with my friends parents. I stayed the night and during the night his mother woke up screaming. The old black snake got out and slithered into their bed and wound its self up on her belly. His father got the snake out of their bed then beat our butt's for us once we told him about finding it frozen on the lake and brought it home. We were to scared to tell them there was still a green snake somewhere in the house. never did find that one.

Believe it or not though there is a ritual in that scenario though. Snake is a chthonic figure and represents. life and death and rebirth from the depths of the earth. It sheds it's old life and body to be reborn into a new life and comes forth to be reborn into the heat and life of a new world as it struggles into its new life. it even comes from the earthen womb and spills forth from the vaginal lips into the birth canal / channel to take it's first breath. that it coiled upon his mothers belly was almost to symbolic in retrospect.

Brigidrose 02-27-19 02:20 PM

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Hi Annie... Welcome! This is a wonderful, diverse place. Lots of people to learn from.

Fethenwen 02-28-19 12:26 PM

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Oh how wonderful, a warm welcome! I so recognize myself in your post, there is so much to learn and explore once you set your foot on the wild path of witchcraft. I started with exploring wicca many years ago, then went further over towards shamanism. And now I just call myself nature based :p

As I see it, it really is a way of life. You just learn to move in the world with greater ease once you find that the world is so much more diverse than the mundane eye can see. Or if not ease, perhaps depth would be a better way to put it.
I have learned that magick really is about using all your recources in orded to gain something, the most powerful results I have found comes from a real need that will benefit the greater good and which will help you on your path to become a better human being. Sometimes all you need is to simply ask, this is a resource so many of us today have forgotten.
Rituals I often do big or small within celebrating the seasons, or sometimes in a time of need, often during somekind of transition.

I myself celebrate the seasons (perhaps a bit lazily), often these go nicely along with the christian traditions. On christmas I celebrate Yule (Jul), now this coming easter I will celebrate the coming spring, then we have midsummer and after that halloween.

I recommend reading Starhawk as well, I really enjoyed her book the Earth Path.

SunSister 02-28-19 01:50 PM

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@SunSister:
So you were raised a Christian as well. Did your parents place great value on living the faith? The way you came to the craft is special as well. It’s always a good thing to think outside the box and some will do so and return to their ways keeping their newfound knowledge in mind, others will eventually feel that drawn-in they actively stick to it with belief and heart.


I wouldn't say I come from a family of bible-thumpers or anything of the sort, as we're quite relaxed about church-going and my parents never screamed the house down when I was exploring other faiths and things like tarot. My parents and my grandmother did do a pilgrimage to Lourdes a couple of times (I'm sort-of named after that in a fashion) and Dad and I visited the Vatican a few summers ago. To me, Christianity is very much the religion I was raised with as well as the religion of my ancestors. As the path I'm currently on speaks about the need to honour those ancestors and acknowledge/hear their stories, I feel that my ties to Christianity are still alive and there are moments when I will go to church with my family because of the meaning this holds to them. It's a way of being tied to my roots, my blood, my family -- even when it is no longer a faith that I personally adhere to.


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Wicca as initial contact is not uncommon I see and may be due to the spirit of the time. After reading the Wicca for Dummies book I originally planned on undertaking the mandatory one year and one day dedication and celebrating sabbats and esbats in the course of the year. As a solitary that is. It has been a vague idea but I strongly believe it is a good thing I came to ESF beforehand.

No, I think Wicca is the first introduction for many of us! I think that coming to ESF is always a good idea, haha. ;) But I also see merit in the one year and one day dedication, if only for yourself -- use that time to figure out what you want and need, to explore your changing beliefs and this spirituality, etc. I find that a dedication like this is akin to making a promise to yourself, but if you feel at any point like it is not for you then you should be able to walk away.


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Being cautious sometimes will slow you down, but basically it can preserve you from harm. From my point of view the worst you can do is jump into something without understanding it at least a bit. I feel with the craft this does happen frequently. People are quick to ask for spells, many without enquiring about the potential consequences. I am very careful with that.

I'm glad to hear it! So many people want to jump in and get their feet wet and forget about the fact that going too deep too soon is just going to cause trouble. :) It's perfectly fine to just, you know, sit on the water's edge and observe and maybe stick your toes/feet in for a bit first. Slow and easy wins the race.


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I am glad you were able to witness all those intense spiritual occurences :) this had to mark a significant point in your life. I can also imagine adopting elements from different branches of the craft while forming an own path and the training you mentioned (energywork and crystal healing) can only be further enrichment to your journey. Increasing knowledge is always desirable for me. Whether it were herbalism, alchemy, gardening, arts or much more. And experimenting is always part of research, right?

Right! Increasing knowledge is what I'm always hungry for -- I'm only tempted by anything when there's more to learn, more to absorb, more to know. The spiritual experiences I've had over the years really did mark some significant turning points or growth nodes or whatever we want to call them.. I wouldn't be the same person without them, and I feel like they've kicked the door wide open for me in a number of ways. Sometimes these come when you're ready and prepared for them, but there will also be times when they just turn you inside out and upside down. The tools you learn in the craft, the basics like meditation and grounding and so on, they're the ones that get you through the hard moments.


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Being able to discuss peacefully, openly and sympathetically while differing is precious and rare because normally in whatever faith this is hardly ever possible. In paganism everybody seems accepted, there are points of contact and commonality exists. If you can discuss about individual beliefs with a similar essence this is indeed wonderful :)

It's very precious for sure! In my experience, paganism does sometimes have its moments of intolerance and struggle as well but that's often to do with conflicting egos and such. I've found we're overall a pretty chill bunch of people, though. It's sad that these message board communities have died out a bit because there used to be so many active spaces like this where you could just talk with everyone from various pathwalks and get their opinions or hear their experiences.. I do confess to missing that.

Annie_Wong 02-28-19 06:01 PM

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@MonSno_LeeDra: I have great respect for some practices I would never ever try myself simply because I am too scared. Like using witchboards and contacting the dead or making voodoo dolls and stuff like that. A friend finds this very funny and is eager to try it out, but without me(!). I don’t know what I am dealing with and fooling around with these things is far from me.

WOW about your anecdote with the snakes. You gave me a great lesson of snakes and their meaning here. I value that a lot.

@ Brigidrose : Thanks! I have gained that very impression as well!

@Fethenwen: Glad to hear from you as knowing about my situation. It’s good to know I am not alone in this. Although you already progressed you can still comprehend. With a ton of very interesting threads here on ESF one can easily get the impression of everybody being a guru in the craft already and this may be a bit intimidating for a newcomer. :) Thank you for the recommendation and the insight you gave. This greatly encourages me and signals a very supportive environment.

@SunSister: I feel you can always stay connected with your origins. Cutting the ties completely is not always necessary nor useful. I would not forbid myself from entering a church. Deep down inside I know about my real beliefs though. I am still interested in all kinds of faiths informing myself about them. I am happy to see that those religions are also discussed here on ESF. I am just not able to wholeheartedly accept any of them. And there is still the issue with self-effectiveness. Often enough it is too much "almighty lord" and too little "nature is power". in monotheistic faith nature and all its parts only exist for people to use it.
Sometimes I find it difficult to exclude something to adopt another. That’s where paths turn individual I guess. It's a good thing to know your roots and honor them.

I asked my mother once again about the pendulum and my grandfather and she confessed somehow bashful that she is also using it. I know my father is fond of astrology. In my family religious identity hasn’t been such an issue. Most important were general milestones like baptism, confirmation, Christmas, eating no meat at good Friday and such, but I would not refer to us as biblical people.

I had the idea that before I’ll start my way into the craft I make some experiment thematising religions monthly, every month another faith. Like really living it with all its customs and each religion for full four weeks. I chose Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism. And by that I mean really going to church weekly and listening closely or celebrating Sabbath on fridays, trying to comply with dietary laws (true kosher is not going to work.) somehow this experiment seems rewarding to me and my development. To see how I feel with performing the specific rituals and what it has given me. Maybe this will be inspirational for me.

I like your comparison with sitting at the water instead of getting wet :) before you tackle something and start acting in compliance to principles you should inform yourself. For me the more is the better. Because afterwards you may regret your actions. To act in the heat of the moment working with such energies seems risky to me. I would not feel well about it. Many of my friends don’t care because they don’t believe in it.

Getting you through hard moments is of great importance to me. I am relieved to hear that. I feel that it is worthwile every bit. I think experiences like the one you made are invaluable and mindblowing like raising you to another plane of existence. I imagine how your sense of the whole world changes and you learn to see things more calmly because you can now differentiate between important and not so important matters in life. That’s what I assume at some stage.

I believe you about the message boards, but also heard about how in some forums things are hotting up big time and members debate intensely because of said egos being paramound and making the user experience less enjoyable. I hoped to avoid that and that people will not be overly annoyed with me being a rookie. You never know until you try. I am very happy with my entry into ESF.

Fethenwen 03-01-19 02:01 AM

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I would encourage you to get to know your guides, we all have them in great variety. At least for me, they have been the key of getting to know the "invisible world". How you do this is up to you, meditation, ritual, dreaming, astral projection and even having a medium do it for you are some tools for this.

Annie_Wong 03-01-19 01:17 PM

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Thank you for mentioning Fethenwen. I will have many questions in the future, but I feel in good hands with you :) I am grateful for being able to connect with you all.

MonSno_LeeDra 03-01-19 05:46 PM

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I'm going to contradict Fethenwen here a bit. Not all paths have the notion of guides, totems, etc. In fact if you go back to many books written in the 80's and 90's you will not even find the notion of guides within the framework of Wicca or Witchcraft. They didn't exist and were not part of the structure of those pathways. About the only thing you'd be likely to find was possibly the idea of a familiar. Then a familiar was nothing like what you'll find today where everyone seems to use their favorite pet, but was actually a demonic entity, usually an Imp.

The usage of guides really became incorporated in many pathway's in the late 1990's and early 2000's with the incorporation of shamanic influences. They came in along with the notion of "Totems" and to be honest suddenly everyone simply had to have one or more. About the same time the idea of "Animals" also became part of the lexicon and everyone suddenly had a Spirit Animal or Power Animal. Unfortunately, much of that seemed to have occurred at about the same time that many authors started to incorporate this idea of a Pantheon of Native American influences. Completely ignoring there is no such thing as a Pantheon of Native American Divinities.

Around this same time frame you also start to see a lot of inclusions of African Disapora influences. That would be your Santeria, VooDoo, Hoodoo, Brujo, Bruja, inclusion of the LOA and other spirits. There had been some local influences but nothing like you start seeing in books and such in the late 90's and 2000's and forward.

To be honest this is when you start to hear about whitewashing and things becoming plastic. A great majority of the books are written by white authors whose claims of being "Initiated" or experts on the source material will later become questioned. A number of Native American authors will be exposed as questionable and not recognized as speaking for their nations. That or they will be writing for "Whites" and nothing more than to make a dollar. A lot of those influences will continue on into today unquestioned and blindly accepted today.

Other authors will be discredited but the damage will be done and their legacy and unfortunately their books will still be around. Not even talking about the likes of Silver Raven Wolf. Edain McCoy, Brooke Medicine Eagle, D. J. Conway. There are authors like Jason Miller who provide courses for a couple hundred dollars. Mark Alan Smith, another author who provides courses and writes books, who charges for some material that many find questionable while others swear by it.

Annie_Wong 03-01-19 06:38 PM

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@MonSno:
Do you think it is possible for a white person to perform believable "black" magic? Like the african crafts you partially mentioned. There is a Hoodoo priestess whose videos i watch sometimes and I wondered if as an individual ethnically nearer to european witchcraft one would ever be taken seriously. Because there are obviously people trying, right? Much to the dismay of the communities (of african descent for example) I assume. I like to watch said priestess perform her rites, but probably would never do so myself, especially not writing books or charging money for stuff I do.

MonSno_LeeDra 03-01-19 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Annie_Wong (Post 329876)
@MonSno:
Do you think it is possible for a white person to perform believable "black" magic? Like the african crafts you partially mentioned. There is a Hoodoo priestess whose videos i watch sometimes and I wondered if as an individual ethnically nearer to european witchcraft one would ever be taken seriously. Because there are obviously people trying, right? Much to the dismay of the communities (of african descent for example) I assume. I like to watch said priestess perform her rites, but probably would never do so myself, especially not writing books or charging money for stuff I do.

This one gets sort of difficult to answer. In some capacity I don't think a white person can perform traditional "African" practices. Yet the reason is not specifically because they are white but because they are not part of the total package. They do not possess the culture, heritage, beliefs, myths and all that supports the practices. They think because they read a book or visit somewhere that is sufficient to experience what it means to "BE" all the things that are called upon to practice that magic.

In many ways it is similar to many Native American practices where the magic can not be separated from how the society lives and breathes. They do not exist as separate aspects but flourish within each other.

Unfortunately, a lot of people think you can take the "Core" concepts of things and that is sufficient to do workings. Which is sort of like taking the practical and removing the mystical and saying it's all the same. yet because the mystical has been removed you really don't feel it anymore for the deeper connections are gone. Those things that tied it to the blood and to the land or ancestor's is basically gone which for many people makes it weaker. It takes the heart out of your practice.

When it comes to the divine you can't say who they will choose. When it comes to spirits, again you can't say or control who they will choose to call upon. They don't tend to follow ethnic boundaries or concerns in my experiences regarding who they decide to select or punish.

Some will accept it, some will not. Some are going to claim cultural appropriation regardless of what you do. Usually those who scream the loudest often have no grounds to complain at all but like to play the victim. Many times it will be "Whites" who play the cultural appropriation card against you as a shame on you feature.

That or the "I am entitled to this knowledge card!" which is equally just as bad. Presenting this notion that you owe them and are expected to provide your knowledge to them. That often ties into the ever present image that many within the pagan community are middle aged white women with notions of entitlement. That and the other side of the spectrum being twenty something's or younger who are in a revolt against the system stage.

Annie_Wong 03-03-19 10:51 AM

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"because they are not part of the total package, do not possess the culture, heritage, beliefs, myths and all that supports the practices" > That's exactly what I think.

Your descriptions of the middle aged white women and young adults with anti-stance exhibiting activity in the craft today are what I see as well.

Annie_Wong 03-03-19 05:00 PM

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What is also interesting is that said priestess is performing whatever rituals she needs and gets paid for (death spells, love spells, binding spells and many more). I asked her if she is not fearing any consequences, but she is not believing in any threefold law saying if you don't believe in it nothing will happen to you. She has a very unique way of practicing the craft. She is worshipping her ancestors a lot and idolizes personal entities. She is strongly believing in herself as sort of a goddess respectively thinking of everybody as a god/goddess who needs to be activated/awakened. i would never dare to practice magic of that kind (honoring your ancestors seems a good thing to do to me though) and to that extent (spells harming others) but it's fascinating to learn about how different people's opinions on the craft are. Relating to Wicca for Wiccan's this has to be disastrous.

EDIT: This priestess practices Haitian Hoodoo mixed with own beliefs and family tradition and is a person of colour, just to get some facts straight.

MonSno_LeeDra 03-03-19 07:45 PM

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I think you have to understand that the idea of the "Three fold law" is really not that universal. Many of the African Disapora type practices don't recognize it at all. The same applies to a lot of the ceremonial practices as well. Your more traditional witchcraft practices really do not adhere to it either as they would be just as quick to cast a curse as to try and heal you.

The thing that does intrigue me though is I don't know to many HooDoo or Santeria practitioners would call themselves priests or priestess. They have a similar term but it is not the same though. Doesn't have the same "religious" connections that priest / priestess implies as it does for Wicca.

Annie_Wong 03-04-19 06:57 PM

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You're right, the Three fold law does not apply to the craft as such. I find the African methods and views of witchcraft hugely interesting. Would you say the idea of a Three fold law is mainly a European based concept or is that much too sweeping a statement? With the aforementioned traditional witchcraft practices not considering it either I guess you cannot generalize.

Said priestess is actually calling herself High Priestess. I am not well versed in the terminology, but they have other words for it for certain. She does without animal sacrifices, but uses blood, bones (of already deceased creatures), churchyard mould and does a lot of candlework and using incense and flowers.

What is your personal opinion on any resulting consequences or a Three fold law. I know your view about black and white magic which is completely understandable and logical.

feranaja 03-04-19 08:07 PM

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I'm just going to add my two cents, not addressing the bigger picture (I am sooo pressed for time) but wanted to add an experience, one that has decades of practise behind it but comes mostly from the heart.

I am a witch, a student of druidry and an animist. And I have a shrine to Oshun which has been a focal point of my practise, since 1990.


I am not black, I don't practise Santeria/Yoruba in any full sense, I keep a shrine to Brigid as well, and work with local spirits and ancestors, daily.

This shrine, this relationship with an Africa deity, is one of the richest and dearest of my entire life. People will smirk at me and dismiss the validity, and I don't actually care, because - yes, this is "UPG" - Oshun has been with me, has saved my ass in bad times, has gifted me with animal friends (I have three African species) and more. She basically gave me the house I live in. I have offered to Her daily, prayed to her and done rituals in Her tradition for 29 years. It may seem like silly eclectic cherry picking to some, but I met Oshun in the Occult Shop I worked in, I had to tend Her shrine as part of my duties there, and I developed an affinity for Her. Over the years, this affinity has deepened. And She has not been the capricious, jealous figure so often portrayed in popular culture AT ALL.



ALthough Oshun is not part of my own cultural heritage and I don't even practise properly from a Yoruban perspective, I feel this is a valid spiritual relationship, based on my reaching out in a genuine and consistently devoted way, and if it's cultural appropriation, which I hear about endlessly as a Western herbalist by profession, so be it.

Just sharing an experience that is not at all PC, but works for me.

MonSno_LeeDra 03-04-19 08:23 PM

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This is one where you really have to decide how the person is defining the idea of the three fold law to be honest.

Many use the idea of what you send out comes back three times stronger and it's in a punishment mode. Which to me is idiotic to say the least. Yet other's use another version of the law which states that what is sent out can return in one of three ways. That one says it can come back physically, mentally or psychologically. Basically that one means for instance I do something that causes a potential harm it can come back by causing me psychological stress and worry about what I did, it can come back as mental anguish which is different than psychological influences or it can take an actual physical form such as jail, physical injury, retribution, etc. That or any combination of those. For instance I lets say curse someone, the curse causes them to suffer an injury which causes me to physically be placed in jail. Yet it also causes me to worry about what I did which causes me mental anguish asking myself if I did the right thing on a moral level which causes me psychological anguish because it impacts my own ethics and morality and makes me question my beliefs, morality, sense of moral justice which leads me to do something wrong which leads to me actually doing something which ends up getting me arrested.

So it never comes back three times stronger but it does impact me in three potential different ways. It becomes more a sense of true cause and effect and the idea of ripple effect and influences.

As practitioners we all think about cause and effect of our workings. The differences is the Three Fold Law as most seem to apply it assigns all fall out to a sense of ethical actions where true cause and effect does not rely upon ethics or morality. In my personal opinion those who follow it do so because it's an escape clause. It doesn't demand focus and attention to detail from them. They do not have to anticipate how things will unfold and spread out. Simply claim Three Fold Law and not do it less it come back upon them.

The components used in spellwork, rituals, ceremonies, etc are harder to discuss as those can vary from pathway to pathway and even how they are used within each. That doesn't even touch upon the notion that many "Tools" are mental enhancements that assist when people start out that others drop as they gain more experience.

It's blood usage. Did the person kill the animal themselves or did they go to the butcher to obtain it? Was the blood obtain via ritual slaughter or simply routine slaughter? Realistically was the blood simply gathered from the meat purchased from the store and pressed out or collected from the package? That doesn't even touch upon is it animal or Human? Is it menstrual? If Menstrual is it beginning cycle when light and liquid or ending cycle when chunky and thick? If it was self collected is it from the left arm or right arm which for some ties into dead blood or alive blood due to circulation and oxygen content.

Lots of things to consider and lots that are never discussed in the 101 books but were in inner court things or mystical aspects. Figure I was never a Wiccan but was initiated into things that were similar enough that had some interesting discussions.

MonSno_LeeDra 03-04-19 08:39 PM

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If you read over what Fera wrote it's a perfect example of what I was saying earlier in the thread about when it comes to the divine or Spirits you can't say who they will choose for they themselves do not hold to any set "Racial" or "Ethical" standard of instance. They choose and utilize whomever they desire.

Annie_Wong 03-05-19 07:26 AM

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I think she works with her own blood a lot. Menstrual as well. Others are welcome to try out themselves for she is making videos of her performing her rituals showing what she is using beforehand, but I don’t know if that works too well if they don’t have that special connection and she is charging for services so she seems confident of her abilities. Maybe she uses blood from animals, but I don’t know the source, but remember how she told that her renouncing animal sacrifices as such made other witches question her. But her character/personality is too strong to get distracted by that. She just doesn’t care.

The choosing part is an intriguing subject, but I like how for feranja it worked out the way it did and it seems like an enormously precious connection. So the spirits will cooperate with you if they decide for you and that’s a wonderful thing. It’s like pushing boundaries others set for you. It seems very individual. Some people will claim they are chosen, but only being on the make or looking for fame, others simply ARE chosen. Thank you for your input feranja.

satanubis 03-11-19 08:59 AM

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Thank you Sollie and DrumWolf!

@all: Something that really interests me is how did you find out about your personal orientation in the craft? Have you tried what works best for you or found out about it through literature etc and it instantly appealed to you? Because every single path seems so diverse and there are countless variations and possibilities. Or maybe you don't like to categorize yourself? Do most of you practice as solitaries? Maybe some non-Wiccans (certainly Wiccans as well!!) like to tell a bit about their experiences. Up to now my knowledge is mostly based on Wicca, that's why I'm asking.

@feranja: Thanks for sharing some details about your daily routine :) Sounds like a great way to welcome the day. I'd like to integrate some rituals in my everyday life as well and it would be great to have an altar/shrine. I live in a one-room apartment in a town so for me it is a rather tricky task to find a place to turn spiritual without any distraction (like beside my tv, my bed, my kitchen.) What do you think of portable altars? Generally I have access to nature for I am not living in a big city, but being outside is only pleasant in springtime, summer or maybe early fall. I definitely still need to find a special place where one can calm down.


I started my path when I was late in my teens. I was and still am a solitary witch. I started not really in a particular sect of Wicca. I eventually gravitated towards Celtic Wicca, then later onto Norse Wicca. Finally, after an incident when Lord Anubis helped me get over my fear of the darkness in the late 20s, I found my true path in Egyptian Wicca. I found such a deep connection with him that I just knew it. So ever since then I have been an Egyptian Wiccan.

MonSno_LeeDra 03-11-19 08:29 PM

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Something I have to add here. Norse-Wicca, Egyptian-Wicca, Greek (Hellene)-Wicca, Peti-Wicca, Celtic-Wicca are all Wicca the addition of a pantheon preface only says what divinities and pantheon they are from that the practitioner worships. They do not change the Wiccan wheel or change the holidays or such.

Even with the Pantheon attachment it doesn't mean the practitioner worship's or recognizes all the divinities within that particular pantheon. Nor does it mean they actually worship in accordance to the methodology and mannerisms of the people or custom's of that particular culture or region.

It's like many who claim to be Celtic-Wiccan's would most likely be Irish Celtic influenced based upon the actual divinities they follow. The Irish Celtic history is the most commonly known and well published. The same could be said regarding many who claim "Celtic" as a people though it is actually a language group and not actually a people. Each group has a recognized tribal and / or regional name.


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