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Old 03-19-10   #11
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What I'm wondering is about the subjective experience. I have heard a lot of people have the Christian experience of the "still small voice" and still don't consider it to be knowledge and conversation.
Hitman, from your perspective, what IS knowledge and conversation? What would you consider that AHA! Type of moment?
The only way I can think to describe it in terms of my own path is what the Egyptians called khepher (or "Xeper"). It means "to come into being" or "to be transformed." It begins with a disruption of a present state of being, which makes space for an unrealized future state of being to manifest in the Real. A mythological allegory of this would be the drowning and dismemberment of Osiris and his subsequent re-unification and sexual resurrection as the Lord of the Dead, a process which never would have taken place if he hadn't been slain by Set (the initiator) in the first place. A present situation may be likened to Osiris and its disruption may be likened to Set; Set "slays" the present by slaying Osiris, which in turn allows us to be "washed" in Osiris' blood, that we may become new and better creations (khepheru, or "transformations," the plural noun form of the verb). With each khepher the temporal earthbound self gives way to the Higher Self more and more, just as Osiris' "mortal" self gave way to Osiris as the Lord of the Dead. But it's very difficult to be conscious of khepher at the precise moment that it happens; conscious knowledge of the transformation is usually after-the-fact. One can put oneself into situations that are designed to provoke khepher, but whether it actually happens or not won't be known until after it does (or doesn't). But there is often an unconscious feeling that something has happened; we just don't know what yet. Kind of like when people say, "It feels like someone just walked over my grave." Like your future self is echoing back in time to poke and prod you in the right direction.

If I might be a total geek and resort to using science fiction films for examples, I would cite the scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey when the Monolith puts the idea of using a bone for a weapon into the mind of the ape. The ape suddenly gets this idea, straight out of nowhere, and soon enough, it uses the bone to kill an enemy ape and protect its territory. The entire situation on earth is changed by that one slight little change - but there's simply no way the ape could have understood what was happening to it, or what its actions would lead to (e.g., human civilization, space stations, etc.). That's what khepher is like, IMO.

I have no idea if this is along the lines of what you're looking for or not, but I hope it is helpful.
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For me , it manifests as a continual information
stream , *or* , one accessed anytime I "call"...

Never is absent , unless I ask...
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Has there been a defining moment, to you, that you would consider the greatest manifestation of this?
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Nineteen day kundalini blast , sixteen years ago...

Followed by seeing the sun turn black...
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Nineteen day kundalini blast , sixteen years ago...

Followed by seeing the sun turn black...
That certainly would be a profound experience
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Now , what I find interesting , is in the code
I showed you , the Mother column , fit together ,
makes the shape of the human body...yet their
number sum , is 603...

And by gematria , 604 = Blood...

Further , the opposite , Father column , equals 391 ,
which can be :

Inner Light = 391

Portal = 391

Shaman = 390

Yehoshua = 391

Imaginary Friend = 391

And :

604 = Holy Guardian Angel

So , the exercise , of "seeing" the Holy Guardian Angel ,
or as "projecting" a double of yourself...hmmm...

Inner Light to Outer Reality ?

Whereas the sum of a 22 symbol system , Obri / Hebrew ,
or Runic comparison = 1495

And :

1495 = Knowledge ( as Daath = 474 ) And ( 44 ) Conversation ( 241 ) With ( 110 ) Your ( 83 ) Holy ( 410 ) Guardian ( 103 )
Angel ( 91 )
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And , a little off topic...

Yet we know the other thing Uncle Al was big on ,
was Crossing The Abyss...

Again , I find it interesting ;

Mother Column + Father Column , in my Tradition...

391 + 603 = 994

Which equals , by gematria :

Crossing ( 419 ) The ( 41 ) Abyss ( 451 ) + Person ( 83 ) = 994

So , in one sense , in my Tradition , Knowledge and Conversation
With Your Holy Guardian Angel...and Crossing The Abyss , is
knowledge of the code itself , and being informed how to use it...

One last thing...our Father's column , contains the letter values ,
"A" , and "H"...as in "AHA" , which adds to 11...

Which relates to a dual 11 column...yet , as well , is AUD...

The name , by Sepher Sephiroth , for the Astral Fire , or Light...
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I truthfully don't entirely know whether I have had definite K&C or not.

However...there was a particular spirit who I became aware of at the age of 17, who I had contact with for probably the next 13 or so years after that; and who actually assisted me with an exorcism once. Havajra managed to get in contact with said spirit, and she believed (and I concurred) that it was probably my HGA, although I've truthfully never done the Abremalin work, and don't actually know it.

I came into contact with the spirit in question, during a period where I went to an adolescent psychiatric inpatient unit for two months, in 1994. At the time I was reading the autobiography of Truddi Chase, and suspected that I was becoming dissociative myself; I went close to insanity at that point.
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And , a little off topic...

Yet we know the other thing Uncle Al was big on ,
was Crossing The Abyss...



One last thing...our Father's column , contains the letter values ,
"A" , and "H"...as in "AHA" , which adds to 11...

Which relates to a dual 11 column...yet , as well , is AUD...

The name , by Sepher Sephiroth , for the Astral Fire , or Light...
Thank you for putting all of this up here, strangely enough I have been giving a lot of thought to this.

My magical motto in the OTO is AHA. It is also an Egyptian word, it means to stand upright among the gods.

I have some questions relating to your lessons, but I have been working so hard towards my Probationer task, every time I get off of topic my Neophyte pushes me right back to square one. It may be months before I can take a break.

And, crossing the abyss, perhaps I'll give you a PM about that.
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Just so you know...

Our single Father column = 391

AHA ( 11 ) + She (16 ) + To Stand Upright ( 151 )
Among ( 132 ) Gods ( 81 ) = 391

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