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Old 08-07-15   #11
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Social media primarily owes its' existence to two factors.

a} The overwhelming human need for a continual source of narcissistic supply.

b} The overwhelming corporate need for a continual source of money.

Facebook and Twitter, at least, represent corporate and non-corporate humanity existing within a framework of deeply pathological symbiosis. Facebook's customers get a platform for the ongoing cultivation of narcissistic supply, and the corporation gets the personal information of said narcissists, which they can then sell as a revenue stream.

Twitter and Reddit primarily take advantage of in-group/out-group psychological dynamics. More or less the entire Western population has sorted itself into various social cliques, often with diametrically opposing opinions. The most effective way for you to improve your status within your own in-group, is to find some member of an out-group expressing an opinion which is particularly opposed to your in-group's shared ideology or group mind, and then hold up this person in front of your in-group for public mockery. The in-group will use this individual as an excuse to reinforce their own belief in the supposed moral superiority of their ideology, which in turn results in a shared dose of narcissistic supply and dopamine for the entire group.

This further explains why contemporary activism is usually hypocritically based. The point of activism has nothing to do with positively affecting global wellbeing, despite what said activists claim. The point is to make yourself and your own private miniature collective appear as much like Desmond Tutu, MLK, or Gandhi as is humanly possible, because Aquarius is an age which uses perceived moral superiority as a basis for narcissistic supply.

Contemporary humans require the mockery and villification of others as a means of obtaining narcissistic supply, because in the past, said supply was mainly obtained by performing altruistic or compassionate acts, which these days are less common. This is also why television programs ridiculing people who injure themselves, often severely, have become common. Said programs display people injuring themselves via acts of stupidity, which evokes a sense of intellectual superiority in the viewer, because the viewer assumes that he or she would be more intelligent or sensible than the person on the screen, and avoid harming themselves.

During Pisces, people derived status from either performing empathic acts which were intended to advertise an advanced spiritual condition, (Neptune) or ostentatious displays of wealth. (Jupiter)

During Aquarius, conversely, status is derived from a belief in either intellectual (Uranus) or moral (Saturn) superiority. Where Jupiter was about wealth or expansion, Saturn is about poverty and contraction, which means that during Aquarius, being a homeless person will be as much a symbol of superior morality, as owning a mink fur coat was a symbol of superior wealth, during Pisces.

The Uranian way to achieve status within collectives, is likewise to make yourself appear as intelligent as possible, within the consensus' definition of intelligence. This, in turn, is why it's so cool to be an atheist these days, to appear to have an advanced understanding of evolutionary theory, and to be able to quote Carl Sagan at the drop of a hat. These are all Uranian status symbols.
Speak for yourself. This is not my world view nor most of my immediate friends and/or family's. Most true altruism isn't broadcasted for the world to see, so you have no idea how it truly breaks down for most people in the World by a long shot.

Furthermore, to those who find the aforementioned T.V. shows amusing, a lot of the success relies on the comedic timing of the host. No, that's not the case for ALL of them, but def for several of the more "popular" ones. I also reject your notion that the programs who show people "injuring themselves via acts of stupidity", "evokes a sense of intellectual superiority in the viewer, because the viewer assumes that he or she would be more intelligent or sensible than the person on the screen, and avoid harming themselves".

I bet you damn near everyone on this forum has had some unfortunate event befall them (and actually probably more like many events) in which they were either hurt, embarrassed in front of someone, etc., who have watched those shows and not considered themselves intellectually superior. Many times when things like that happen to "us" (collectively), we may not laugh at that very moment, but when we look back on it we sure do. Or at the very least know why others did that didn't involve any perceived intellectual superiority.

One could argue that it's the highly cynical, overly analytical, and critical people much like yourself (or at least the way in which you're presenting yourself) who are the narcissists in desperate need of the dopamine. I could successfully argue from a psychological point of view that they're, at the very least, not as happy as their counterparts. Food for thought.

I also take issue w/your notion regarding "being cool to be an atheist and quote Carl Sagan at the drop of a hat". I believe that these are actually the result of several factors; a more educated population w/regards to science, history and religion; the information in which we're seeking regarding all those areas literally just a click (aka a "Google") away (so quicker accessibly, more people receiving the info, etc.), and finally- the ability to come out and say you're an atheist w/o the same type of repercussions experienced in the past. Kind of like coming out of the "broom closet". It's just more socially acceptable than it used to be.

We're certainly still far from those situations being ideal of course....but I just think there are way more factors than the couple of short sighted ones you mentioned. JMHO.
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This further explains why contemporary activism is usually hypocritically based. The point of activism has nothing to do with positively affecting global wellbeing, despite what said activists claim. The point is to make yourself and your own private miniature collective appear as much like Desmond Tutu, MLK, or Gandhi as is humanly possible, because Aquarius is an age which uses perceived moral superiority as a basis for narcissistic supply.

Weird. I just fight for animals because I love them and hate/oppose cruelty. If I could do it entirely from behind the scenes, instead of mostly, I would.



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Contemporary humans require the mockery and villification of others as a means of obtaining narcissistic supply, because in the past, said supply was mainly obtained by performing altruistic or compassionate acts, which these days are less common. This is also why television programs ridiculing people who injure themselves, often severely, have become common. Said programs display people injuring themselves via acts of stupidity, which evokes a sense of intellectual superiority in the viewer, because the viewer assumes that he or she would be more intelligent or sensible than the person on the screen, and avoid harming themselves.
I don't disagree that humans are overwhelmingly dumbing down and narcissistic - that's exactly what I detest about the New Age (among others). But you really use broad strokes here - EVERYBODY? I for one am on FB partly to run my business, partly for some downtime and fun. When I am complimented it means little, just a ice thing and then gone. Narcissistic supply? EVERYONE? I don't think so. I just pop in, have a look around, say hi or share something interesting, and that's that. I've made some great connection with people there too, I truly believe FB, like tv, like anything, is all in how you use it.
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I also reject your notion that the programs who show people "injuring themselves via acts of stupidity", "evokes a sense of intellectual superiority in the viewer, because the viewer assumes that he or she would be more intelligent or sensible than the person on the screen, and avoid harming themselves".
At this point I've become accustomed to people uncritically defending things that are harmful to them, and being angry with me when I draw attention to said harm. So feel free to likewise become as angry with me as you like; but I will not be joining you in said anger. I've seen the motivation behind the Darwin Awards explained more than once.
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I don't disagree that humans are overwhelmingly dumbing down and narcissistic - that's exactly what I detest about the New Age (among others). But you really use broad strokes here - EVERYBODY? I for one am on FB partly to run my business, partly for some downtime and fun.
I am not so much referring to every single person who uses Facebook, as much as to the main process which justifies the site's continued existence. Pornography likewise is not the only form of traffic that the Internet carries; but the porn industry was the first on the Internet to make a profit. Drawing attention to the exceptions to a given generalisation, does not necessarily alter said generalisation's validity.
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I am not so much referring to every single person who uses Facebook, as much as to the main process which justifies the site's continued existence. Pornography likewise is not the only form of traffic that the Internet carries; but the porn industry was the first on the Internet to make a profit. Drawing attention to the exceptions to a given generalisation, does not necessarily alter said generalisation's validity.
If I thought I was a real exception, I'd agree, but seriously I think there's loads of us out there who aren't seeking adulation, who just use social media for fun and to connect a bit and for our businesses.

Not to be antagonistic, but those who bitterly criticize FB and lump all users under the same umbrella, do seem like they have their own set of undealt with issues. you know?
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Not to be antagonistic, but those who bitterly criticize FB and lump all users under the same umbrella, do seem like they have their own set of undealt with issues. you know?
It's not antagonistic; quite the contrary. You've actually indicated that you are at least open to the idea that what I have said, might contain some validity.

So I am not offended at all.
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Oh, there's much truth to it IMO.
It's just not the totality, and I think we need to be mindful of the minority here as well.
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At this point I've become accustomed to people uncritically defending things that are harmful to them, and being angry with me when I draw attention to said harm. So feel free to likewise become as angry with me as you like; but I will not be joining you in said anger. I've seen the motivation behind the Darwin Awards explained more than once.

Why would assume I'm angry bc I disagreed w/aspects of a post of yours?
a). I'm not angry. If the Internet makes me angry it's time to take a break. That's how I've always felt about it anyway.
b). Passive aggressiveness doesn't work with me. If you can't interpret the constructive critical aspects of my reply, then the problem isn't mine, it's yours.
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If I thought I was a real exception, I'd agree, but seriously I think there's loads of us out there who aren't seeking adulation, who just use social media for fun and to connect a bit and for our businesses.

Not to be antagonistic, but those who bitterly criticize FB and lump all users under the same umbrella, do seem like they have their own set of undealt with issues. you know?

Totally agree on both aspects.

I also find it ironic that he uses the guise of the whole "it gives them a sense of intellectual superiority bc the viewer assumes that he or she would be more intelligent than the viewer", yet in some ways, he's doing exactly that on some of his posts (or at least attempting to).
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Weird. I just fight for animals because I love them and hate/oppose cruelty. If I could do it entirely from behind the scenes, instead of mostly, I would.





I don't disagree that humans are overwhelmingly dumbing down and narcissistic - that's exactly what I detest about the New Age (among others). But you really use broad strokes here - EVERYBODY? I for one am on FB partly to run my business, partly for some downtime and fun. When I am complimented it means little, just a ice thing and then gone. Narcissistic supply? EVERYONE? I don't think so. I just pop in, have a look around, say hi or share something interesting, and that's that. I've made some great connection with people there too, I truly believe FB, like tv, like anything, is all in how you use it.

(I couldn't find a high five smilie)
There are people were it not for FB, who I would probably never seen again, much less be able to talk to them, sometimes even being a part of their lives again. My childhood best friend is one of them. There are several others, but we both looked for each other for years on FB. She has a very unique name so I was surprised I couldn't find her, and she had a hard time finding me as well. I think it was our privacy settings maybe. Anyway, it's so awesome to find someone after 25yrs!!
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