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Some other images that I have seen that I have liked:



Hekate & Cerberus, Apulian red-figure krater
C4th B.C., Antikensammlungen, Munich

Is this the one that you are talking about where the torches are being used as weapons?



Hekate slaying Klytios in the Titan War, from Greek vase



Hecate holding two torches and dancing in front of an altar, beyond which is a cult statue. The whole figure and face of the goddess was once covered with gold foil, while the little floating cloak was red. Attic black-glazed oinochoe, ca. 350–300 BC. From Capua, Italy




T16.7 HEKATE or ARTEMIS
Museum Collection: State Hermitage Museum, St Petersburg, Russia
Catalogue Number: St Petersburg 3368
Beazley Archive Number: 206354
Ware: Attic Red Figure
Shape: Lekythos
Painter: Attributed to the Pan Painter
Date: ca 500 - 450 BC
Period: Early Classical
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Hekate (or Artemis) is here depicted crowned and holding a pair of burning torches.


Some of these from here: http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Hekate.html


This one I have never been sure about - Hekate or Artemis?













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Sorry, MonSno... taken it a bit off topic, perhaps, to more general images from the one that you shared.
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Sorry, MonSno... taken it a bit off topic, perhaps, to more general images from the one that you shared.
Works for me seems a logical step.
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Some of these I have some I want to get eventually
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Some other images that I have seen that I have liked:
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This one I have never been sure about - Hekate or Artemis?



This one always intrigues me. It's listed as Attic Black but has no date associated with it that I have ever found. The Attic Black period usually being the late Archaic period from abt 620 - 480 B.C. When I look at it I am reminded of Diana in her Lucifera persona. That persona is often seen holding two torches or two torches placed with her. Diana is more know for her association with dogs in imagery than Artemis is. Yet the Thracian goddess Bendis is also known for both dogs and spears.

The thing that deters me from really thinking it is Hecate / Hekate is the torches are not being held by her but a back drop to her image. Yet in all other depictions i've seen she always has her torches in hand.

Artemis is occasionally depicted with a single torch or large spear but I can't think of any where she has two unless it's later conflations with Diana.

Then the usual association of the torch to the underworld and transitions makes one wonder if it's not representative of something to do with the underworld. Which logically suggests Hecate / Hekate as Artemis really does not have an underworld association.

But in the end it could be anything with the artist using aspects of known stories from the time that the people would recognize.
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